Thule Temple…The Isais Revelations

Thule Temple…The Isais Revelations as posted by Kantzveldt at ATS
I’ll present here a considered study on aspects of the Thule Temple tradition in particular the Revelations of Isais, the Dualistic Gnostic background to this group, and also look to any historical roots for this cult, and it’s wider associations. 

First an overview of the Isais tradition; 

In 1220, Templar Komtur Hubertus Koch, returning with a small party from the Crusades, passed through Mesopotamia, and near the old city of Nineveh in modern Iraq, received an apparition of the goddess Isais (first child of goddess Isis and god Set). She told him to withdraw to the Untersberg mountain, build a house there and await her next apparition. 

Whether that is true or not, in 1221, Koch erected his first Komturei at the foot of Ettenberg near Markt Schellenberg. A second, larger structure followed. It is believed that over the next few years, underground galleries were excavated into various areas of the Untersberg, and in one of them a temple to Isais was built 

A second apparition occurred in 1226 and were repeated on occasions until 1238. During this period the Templars received “Die Isais Offenbarung”, a series of prophesies and information concerning the Holy Grail. 

It is the German tradition that the Templars were ordered to form a secret scientific sect in southern Germany, Austria and northern Italy to be known as “Die Herren vom Schwarzen Stein” – The Lords of the Black Stone 

The Holy Grail (“Ghral” is holy stone, Persian-Arabic) was said to be a black-violet crystal, half quartz, half amethyst, through which Higher Powers communicated with humanity. It was given into the safe-keeping of the Cathars, and smuggled out of the last stronghold at Montsegur, France, and hidden, by four Cathar women on the night of 14 March 1244.

An overview 

An engraving supposedly from the Middle Ages shows Isais in two aspects, long haired and girlish, and short haired. The second aspect relates to her adopting this boyish disguise to recover the Black Stone which had been stolen from Valhalla by the Beings of Shadow. 

This was her revelation; 

Truth I speak – for your hearing. 
Vision I give – for your seeing. 
Speaking knowledge and wisdom, all possessing, 
from the pre-beginning until the end of the end. 
Speaking neither allegory nor symbol,nor indirect word, 
clearly I give lore, of that which was, of that which is. 

Human being, because connected to earth, 
given over to mortality- but at the same time. 
Star children, heavenly born – 
a thousand fold times more older than the world here. 
Light force sons and daughters of brilliance, 
Heaven dwellers lost in darkness. 
Light animated – but succumbed to shadow, 
immortal – but not free of dying. 

Wanderer over the horizon of the worlds, 
new born into this world – but destined for beyond. 
Children of God, but not godlike. 
Much more there is to say about it. 
Old is their child – young is their world. 
The unborn human being, 
existing since the pre-beginning, that much i can say.

Revelation of Isais 

As noted in the overview other revelations followed, this one supposedly in 1236 in the vicinity of Carthage; 

In 1236, the knights and Roderich Emmerant searched the area of the former Carthage after traces of Marcion. because they received “The message of the goddess”. 

Her appearance was as a structure made ​​entirely of gold and light and ultra fine textured shimmering green glass, the tall figure of a woman, whose translucent body of slenderness was flexible; and appeared as a strange creature, half woman and half girl, . without doubt she could not be of this world 

she was wearing a long gown made ​​entirely of small golden leaves in an elongated shape; her beautiful face was thin and pale and utterly wonderful, she caught their eyes, hair and the nails of her fingers shone in colors brown amber, whilst a golden circlet held her hair, which reached down to the ground, very long, and above on the headband was a golden horned crescent moon, and this was also in the midst of the golden sun. 

Her lips seemed to glow. And she was the most beautiful picture, which a man has ever seen. and she was translucent and not of human kind . 

And she took two steps towards us, and she smiled and her eyes were full of kindness. we knew that she was not a devil, but rather only good things had to be with her. Her form became clearly visible and then she spoke to us, and her voice was clear and mild.

Here it is made known that she is an aspect of Ishtar; 

“I called you – without you knowing it; . you came – without it being known to you 

Now that her words had broken a spell , I spoke too and asked her who she was then. . and she answered immediately, “I’m Isais…Ishtar 

The people who once worshipped here in this place used to call me Asherah; people in the North who were your ancestors called me- Idun – and so i was given a name by every people after their language. 

We were surprised but she smiled. Then said the Emmerant that we are true to our Lord Christ and never another deity wanted to pay homage to 

“Well I heard your prayers to him, the divine brother .But he is in his kingdom, and therefore is in absence, but I, the Divine Sister, am back here – for a little while

First Templar Revelation 

The associated artifacts of her cult are; 

You, my faithful followers, have the spear. You, my faithful followers, you possess Ishtars mirror, you shall use it in beholding , I also gave you the highest power, the black purple stone. 

From the initial sun rays ball ground powerfully. The Stone carefully wrap it in this hair from my head. well preserved for the hour , the time! The stone brings the Golden Empire.

Gifts of Isais 

The most important of these is considered to be the Black Stone; 

The black-purple stone 
Born mighty god, 
It is wisdom and strength, 
power is divine light; 
given from the hand of Allfather 
in Valhalla castle. 
The gods watch over him there.

The Black Stone 

In other Thule Temple documents it is plain that creation is seen as of the Masculine and Feminine Principles in tandem, hence the iconography of the Baphomet figure, a two sided male and female cultic artifact. 

What was before everything was, which created before was uncreated, which was eternally without cause and without beginning and without end is eternal; 

which worketh in all that is true being and life force of all living things: What is above all alone and what makes everything alone: 

This is not a God, It has neither name nor is it person, that is not the one – These are two – 
These are the two Iluhe , what are the god-like powers of the masculine and the feminine

Ilu Asherah 

reply posted on 2-4-2013 @ 08:57 AM by Kantzveldt

The concern then is with a Dualistic Theology, with Isais as the Divine Sister of Revelation, in tandem with Jesus as a Divine Brother of Revelation, these as intermediaries of the Dualistic Creators, and represented by the Baphomet idol. 

I’ll quote at length here an article which looks to establish a link between a Germainc Goddess Isa and Isais; 

Jacob Grimm in his Teutonic Mythology volume 1 refers to a German Goddess called Zisa. He found references to this Goddess going back to the 11th century CE 

Grimm says that the older spelling of Her name is Cisa and “that she was most devoutly worshipped by the Suevi” and Her great feast day which consisted of games and merrymaking was held on 28th September. Grimm speculates that Zisa/Cisa is the same divinity as Isis who is referred to in Tacitus` Germania 9.1: “Part of the Suebi sacrifice also to Isis; I have not ascertained the source from which the foreign rite originates, but the fact remains that the image itself, fashioned in the form of a light ship, proves that the cult is imported.” It is more than likely that this Goddess was not foreign or imported but really another case of Tacitus ascribing a Roman name to a local Germanic deity which he does to other deities in his work. Rudolf Simek in his Dictionary of Northern Mythology suggests a link with the West Germanic Goddess Nerthus and the Frisian Nehalennia because of the association with the ship. 

igel Pennick[The Complete Illustrated Guide to Runes] identifies Zisa as the consort of the God Ziu/Tyr/Tiu/*Tiwaz. Coould there be an association between Zisa/Cisa as the rather even more obscure German Goddess Isa? The name would suggest it. 

Rassmann identifies Island as derived from Isa, a goddess of the under-world, probably the same as Holda 

Nehalennia, the protectress of ships and trade, was worshipped by the Keltic and Teutonic races in a sacred grove on the island of Walcheren; she had also altars and holy places dedicated to her at Nivelles. The worship of Isa or Eisen, who was identical with Nehalennia, was even older and more wide-spread throughout Germany 

The above-mentioned two references to Isa identify Her as a Goddess of the underworld and She is associated with ships. We must remember that in the Germanic world there have been many discoveries of ship burials and clearly our ancestors drew a link between the ship and the underworld. Likewise Isis is associated with both water and the underworld. We also recall the descent of the Goddess Ischtar into the underworld and the more recent revelations concerning Isais[Goddess who resides in the Untersberg] and her descent into the underworld to recover the black stone[the graal]. Prudence Jones and Nigel Pennick[A History of Pagan Europe] speculate that the Istaevones could have been named after the river Histar or Istar, the original name of the Danube or Donau and Ista could have been the deity of the river. We know that generally in territories formerly occupied by the Celts that the rivers were associated usually with Goddesses rather than Gods which supposes again the deity Ista and the link with Isa. Apart from Nehalennia the astute reader will notice that the Goddesses Zisa, Isa, Isais and Isis were all worshipped in the area of Bavaria and Austria which makes a link between all or most of them much more tenable on geographical as well as linguistic and mythological grounds.

Aryan Myth 

There is merit in this argument because there is a similar confusion/merging of a Celtic Goddess Isa with Isis, as the tutelary Goddess of Paris, again this centres on a boat cult; 

As early as the 15th century AD, many Parisian historians believed that the city of Paris owed its name to the Egyptian goddess Isis. There are various manuscripts from around 1402 AD at the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris which contain drawings of the goddess Isis garbed as a medieval noblewoman seen arriving by boat to Paris and where she is greeted by nobles and clergymen under the caption ‘The very ancient Isis, goddess and queen of the Egyptians’ . 

The idea of a ‘boat’ symbol come partly from the shape of the ‘Ile de la Cite’ (where stands Notre Dame Cathedral) which is boat-shaped, and also because ancient ‘mariners’ known as ‘Nauts’ populated the region.” 

In the days of Charlemagne (8th century AD)… there was a city named Iseos, so named because of the goddess Isis who was venerated there. Now it is called Melun. Paris owes its name to the same circumstances, Parisius is said to be similar to Iseos (quasi par Iseos), because it is located on the River Seine in the same manner as Melun.”

Isis of Paris 

The problem here for derivation from Isis of Egypt, is that here Isias was the tutelary Goddess of the tribe that founded Paris, the Parisii, who held lands along the Rhine, the Seine, and the Humber;… 

With this i think it is plain that there was a Celtic/Germanic Goddess named Isa, that her cult was associated with ships and passage into and out of the Underworld, an intermiediary between realms. 

The boat of Paris is generally considered to be indicative of the Stella Maris, Sirius the star of the sea, a psychopomp with regards to entrance into the underworld, and this being Paris, the boat is also associated with the arrival of Mary Magdalene onto the shores of France. 

It seems likely that Mary Magdalene became seen as the embodiment of the Isais intermediary in France, and thus supplanted any independant Isais cult. 

The Isis of Paris had association with Artemis of Ephesus, as did Mary Magdalene who is understood to have lived in the city of Ephesus itself, as well as landing at Marseille which had a sister Temple to Artemis of Ephesus, see here; 

The Magdalene Mystery 

It is well-known that the Greek goddess Io was closely identified to Isis. Also the same ‘tower’ headdress was often shown on Diana of Ephesus, known also as Artemis Multimammia, a goddess with numerous ‘breasts’ on her chest. Many 17th and 18th century French historians identified Diana and Artemis Multimammia with the Egyptian goddess Isis, who was also represented as Isis Multimammia i.e. ‘Isis with the many breasts’ .

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